terrorism again?!?!? :(

[Ravique]

Well, you know. We only talk about the things we see. Maybe it is not right to talk that way, but wars are a good way to boost up the economics. And USA could be using wars just like this. As I said , terrorism is a business. Texts about religious fanatics are for reporters and us eventually . The Leaders of the terrorists organisations are the same people kind of people who run countries and huge corporations. Attention, I said same type, not the same ones. And the suicide bombers are just beaten to nearly death and drugged peopple who have only one will : to die. That don`t care about nothing, they have been made like that by different kinds of pressure. So they are small people too. So there are small people dieyng from both sides, and big people sitiing in Versace suits and giving away orders thinkinng about financial topics.

As for Vietnam , Checnya, Afganistan. All of theese were lost becouse there were unexplored areas there. Mountains . Mountain people know their mountains like their own 5 fingers, it is their home. They know were to ambush the place, were to retreat, all the ways. But the army has just maps, annd no experience in that area.

The same situation was then german troops entered russia ( or french troops, or any other troops entering Russia ) at winter ( yes, all russian war key points were in winter ) . Try doing some battle at - 30 degrees in the woods.

But as i said , terrorists have no borders, no governemtn, no location, and i absolutely have no idea of an effecient way of fighting them ( nuking the whole place won`t do ) .

but i surely know one thing, that there is nothing that can not be beaten, the time will come, the terrorism will be won.

[Cartoon]

"There is nothing that can not be beaten" Yup I really believe this word . But do you know because of this word, there must be a thing like positive and negative out there. Enemy "One who is hostile to or opposes the purposes or interests of another" Then who is the real enemy ? If there is really need an answer, my answer is "One who is hostile and "overpower" to or opposes the purposes or interests of another"

[TraderSeven]

"There is nothing that can not be beaten" -> except stupity and hatered perhaps....

Your answer is no real answer Cartoon.
The terrorists (Islam) is the enemy because they do things like 9/11 and London.
But from the terrorists p.o.v. the West and it's satanic way of life is the enemy.

And that is what makes the problems so hard to solve. Both camps think they are doing a good thing. None of them things they are the good guys and we are scum thats acting wrong.
Just like trading. When you go long you believe you make money that way. But you can only go long if another person thinks he can earn by selling to you (short).
Both traders believe strongly in their opinion. The only diffrence is that the price is the ultimate answer to who is right or wrong. With other (relious) issues that's not so easy to prove.

[Ravique]

TS , you are getting it all a little wrong. Islameese are not all terrorists , and not all terrorists are islam . There are only a few religious fanatic terorist groups , and they are pretty week. The major ones , like Alkaida , Jihad and others , theese are powerfull structures wich only explain their actions like an act of religios war. In relity the reasons are different. I now a couple of muslims , and they have read Koran to me , Allah does not allow war, just like Jesus . It is more complicated in Koran , but the main line is like that.

[TraderSeven]

Never wrote they where all terrorists. It's just that most terrorist have a extremistic islamitic background. (we also know non religious terrorists like RAF)
The ones that are most active right (London) now all claim some (extreme) connection with Islam.
To me AlQuida has a islamitic background. Every letter they write starts with "allah the great....." and lots of refrences to the Koran.
If the Koran is peaceful is a matter of opinion. But that doesn't really matter.
Some leader read it as a war novel (just like the Bible was read during the Crusades).
Maybe they read it very wrong. But their actions are based on it. That makes it religious to me.

[scorpion]

Ravique, you are right. I think majority of people regardless of religion are good people who don't want war for sure. Believe it or not, many religions were even originated from the same ancestor. As time passed by, different groups of people derived the main religion for their own culture (language, belief, geographic, etc). That's why we see them much similar.

Terrorists don't work solo. Most of them have their own network and leaders. Don't get me wrong, they also use sophisticated tech like us--internet, forum, chat, voip, and email to keep in touch with each others. Big terrorists group even have their own communication and spy sattelites! So as they are well connected, their plans are also well-coordinated.

One thing bugs me most of the time is that most low-rank terrorists are so stupid. They do anything they are told to do. They are blindly driven by religious and patriot accuses from their leaders. Do you believe that Bin Ladin dare to commit suicide bomb by himself for the sake of his country/people/religion? No, I don't think so.

[scorpion]

Originally Posted by trader7

Every letter they write starts with "allah the great....."

Low-rank terrorists are pleased with this motavative statement, while high-rank terrorists don't really want to mean it. They really cheat their slaves.

[TraderSeven]

True or false does that matter?
Does it make their acts worse or better? Let's assume BinLaden loves the West and just is playing a joke on his soldiers. But those soldiers really believe they go to paradise for their part in forfilling the will of allah.
That makes it religious to me. But we seem to differ in that opionon. I can live with that. I promise I won't bomb your house because of that

True, the leaders don't suicide bomb themselfs. Just as I wrote yesterday Bush/Churchil/etc never fought a war either. The little man always gets the shit end of the stick. Not just in warfare.

[Dave77]

Great Britian protested against Bush saying he made the terrorist threat up. The Islamic clergy protested with the right wing in Great Britian saying it was all a hoax by Bush and the head of Great Britain. Maybe now, they will take their head out of the sand and see that terrorism is here to stay and growing. Iran has stated it has 40,000 suicide volunteers ready to blow themselves up. During the Tsunami crisis, the mainly Christian nations of the world donated millions of dollars for relief. The Arab countries donated nothing. Have you seen any Islamic groups protesting against the terrorists ever? There are more Mosque's in the U.S. than there are Assembly of God churches - Disturbing. Terrorism is unfortunately the way of the future. Not all people or any group of people of faith's bad. It is always the rebellious, hateful and bigoted people that turn radical. Love is what this world needs and there is only one way to find the true source of love.

[scorpion]

Small men of islamic terrorists get cheated for the reason that Allah will bring them to heaven after suicide attack. Why cheat? Because they believe in faked Koran--the true Koran encourages people to make friends not enemy (many muslims know!). Going to heaven by a cheap, dirty way would bring themselves and their beloved ones to hell instead. Take an example of the families of the four suicide bombers, do they feel they will go to heaven too? I don't think so. Their faces are full of tear, sorrow, heartbreak, and regretfullness.

"Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds."
From the last sermon of Prophet Mohammed